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Are you ready to step into your boldest, most confident self? If you’ve ever felt stuck, uncertain, or afraid to take that next big leap, this episode of The Midlife Makeover Show is for you!

I sat down with the incredible Leigh Burgess, entrepreneur, author, and CEO of Bold Industries Group, to talk about how we can break through fear, embrace change, and create a life that truly aligns with our values. Leigh’s book, β€œBe Bold Today,” introduces the B.O.L.D. Frameworkβ€”Believe, Own, Learn, and Designβ€”as a roadmap to help you unlock your full potential.

Whether you’re navigating a career change, redefining relationships, or simply looking for inspiration, this episode is packed with insights to help you take actionβ€”one bold step at a time.

βœ…Β What β€œbold” really meansΒ (it’s not just about loud movesβ€”it can be quiet, too!)

βœ…Β How to rewire your brainΒ and break free from limiting beliefs

βœ…Β Why small bold steps compound into major life changes

βœ…Β How to overcome fear and trust your intuition

βœ…Β The power of ownershipβ€”why YOU control your life story

βœ…Β How to design a life that aligns with your values and purpose

Unlock your bold potential with Leigh Burgess on The Midlife Makeover Show, where we dive into mindset shifts & creating a life of purpose.

Boldness isn’t just about big, flashy decisions. As Leigh puts it, boldness exists on a continuumβ€”from the quiet, internal shifts to the loud, life-changing leaps.

πŸ‘‰ For some, being bold might mean getting out of bed during a tough time.

πŸ‘‰ For others, it might be quitting a job, starting a business, or having a tough conversation.

It’s all about what boldness means to YOU. And that definition evolves throughout different seasons of life.

Leigh’s B.O.L.D. Framework is a step-by-step approach to transforming your mindset and taking action.

Step 1: Believe in Your Potential

If you don’t believe in yourself, how can you expect others to? Leigh emphasizes the importance of shifting your mindset, recognizing your strengths, and understanding that you already have everything you need within you.

Step 2: Own Your Story

No one is coming to save youβ€”you own the pen to your story. Instead of waiting for external validation, take charge of your life and make decisions based on your values, not fear.

Step 3: Learn Continuously

Every challenge, failure, or setback is an opportunity to grow. Your journey is a masterpiece in motionβ€”not something that needs to be β€œfixed” but something that can be refined.

Step 4: Design Your Bold Life

Just like you would design a beautiful home, you need to intentionally design your life. Where do you want to spend your energy? What habits, relationships, and environments support your boldest self?

Did you know 80% of New Year’s resolutions fail by the end of January? Why? Because we tend to make BIG, unrealistic changes all at once, instead of taking small, consistent bold steps toward our goals.

πŸ’‘ Leigh’s advice? Start small and let boldness build momentum. Instead of a total lifestyle overhaul, try making one small shift at a time. Maybe that’s waking up 10 minutes earlier, drinking more water, or saying β€œno” more often. Baby bold steps lead to massive transformations.

Unlock your bold potential with Leigh Burgess on The Midlife Makeover Show, where we dive into confidence, mindset shifts, and creating a life of purpose and success!

One of the most eye-opening parts of our conversation was this: Sometimes we chase goals that aren’t actually aligned with who we are.

πŸ€” Are you pursuing something just because you think you β€œshould”?

πŸ€” Is fear keeping you stuck in a cycle that no longer serves you?

Leigh shares that true boldness means having the courage to pivotβ€”to let go of what’s not working and embrace what truly lights you up.

If you’ve been waiting for permission to take that next step,Β here it isβ€”your sign toΒ be bold today.

You don’t have to have all the answers. You don’t need a perfect plan. You just need to start.

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    Wendy Valentine: Welcome back, my beautiful midlife maven. Today we’ve got an incredible guest who is all about living boldly, breaking barriers, and inspiring others to do the same. Meet Lee Burgess, a powerhouse entrepreneur, visionary leader, and CEO of Bold Industries Group B. G. Get it. Lee’s journey is nothing short of extraordinary. From creating a multi seven figure business into in just four years to co founding a movement dedicated to empowering women to lead and live boldly. Oh, yeah. Lee is also the author of Be bold Today. Unleash, your potential, master your mindset, and achieve success. A transformative guide that introduces her bold framework and shows readers how to embrace their true selves, design a life of purpose, and create lasting success. She turned burnout into breakthrough, left the corporate grind, and built a life rooted in passion and purpose. Get ready for a fun, inspiring and transformative conversation with the one and the only Lee Burgess.

    Lee Burgess: I got your book just last night, and it’s fabulous

    Yay.

    Leigh Burgess: Welcome, welcome. Love. that, thank you for that intro. It’s fabulous.

    Wendy Valentine: Well, yes, of course, it is great to have you here. I forgot to ask you how to pronounce your name. Did I say it right?

    Leigh Burgess: Lee Burgess. You got it. Yeah.

    Wendy Valentine: Good. Yes. Well, welcome, and it’s great to have you here. We had such a good chat even before we started. but I want to tell you, I got your book just last night, and I wish I’d had more time. And I’m going to finish reading it because first of all, it’s so good. I love the COVID I. I’m like, I’m one of those people that gets into fonts and colors of pages, codes.

    Leigh Burgess: Yes.

    Wendy Valentine: But it’s very. Yes, like the slippery, shiny paper.

    Leigh Burgess: I love it.

    Wendy Valentine: but I tell you, I. I’ve only. I’ve gotten through. I’m. I think I’m on chapter three right now.

    Leigh Burgess: Okay.

    Wendy Valentine: And just in. Maybe it was the introduction that I already had an epiphany, or as Oprah would say, an aha moment.

    Leigh Burgess: And.

    Wendy Valentine: And I’ll actually might have even started with the title. And I’ll tell you.

    Almost 80% of New Year’s resolutions fail by the end of January

    So title, as you know, is Be Bold Today. And the question that maybe naturally pops into people’s mind is, what is bold? Like, what is. What does it mean to be bold? Right. And I thought about it. I was like, okay, be successful today, be happy today, or be healthy. And all of that is whatever we define that as. And. And I thought. And I love the fact that I think it’s in chapter two, you. You have the reader actually define what bold means to them, and I love that because people will even for me, will comment about the things that I’ve done in my life. Oh, my God, you’re so bold. You’re so courageous. How do I become that bold or that courageous?

    Leigh Burgess: Like.

    Wendy Valentine: Well, it’s whatever bold means to you, and. And I think it’s whatever it means to you in that time in your life, because bold. For me, the definition. The definition has changed as far as, like, what actions I took during that time in my life. For example, I would say six years ago, being bold was literally just getting out of bed. That was being bold. And then so. And you talk about that in chapter two. Kind of like the. I can’t remember how you refer to it as, but, like, kind of like those light, bold steps, like the medium. And then there’s the.

    Leigh Burgess: Like, there’s quiet. It’s a whole continuum. Right. There’s the quiet end, which no one knows about. No one. It could be your thought process. It could be the way that you talk to yourself. It could be, you know, you kind of retool your mindset. It could be you getting out of bed because you were so sad or depressed or had a loss or just weren’t in a good space and walking around the block was like, you know, yeah, it’s almost like running a marathon. And that is bold. And I think people try to compare this world of comparison, which we’re all in it. I’m guilty, guilty of it. And every time I do it, it usually makes me feel like crap, you know, so. Because I don’t want to feel better than anyone, and I don’t want to feel less than. Like, I just want to feel good in my skin. And that, to me, is being bold. And so it is an evolution, too, of the definition. So what I thought was bold at 18 was different at 48, and it’s different at 52. So I’m 52. So, like, in that sense, it’s. It’s just interesting how we evolve and learn and then pack that into our definition. And, you know, life changes. And so, you know, your definition is allowed to change as well.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, and it’s funny, too, as I had read that, chapter this morning before I went to the gym. And as here it is, it’s January, and usually the gym starts to get more packed in January with the New Year’s resolutions. And so I’m on the spinning bike, and I’m thinking more and more about this, like, the definition of bold. And people, you know, at the beginning of the year, they start these New Year’s resolutions, and I. I can’t remember the percentages, but it’s something like almost 80% of New Year’s resolutions fail by the end of January.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah. Quitters Day. Because it’s actually. I never had heard that till this year that usually it’s two weeks in and people quit. So they now have a day called quitters. Yeah. So if you want to quit, that’s where. When you do it and celebrate it, I guess I think it’s. Again, I think we have this idea that you can only create plans and launch things at the beginning of the year and the end of the year, which I, I do not like. It’s something, you know, you could have New Year’s Day every, you know, every quarter for me, because I’m going to go back and look at m. My, my goals and say, was I on track or was I off? And I think it comes down to your habits. And, you’re not looking at your habits and why they’re there. So, like, you know, for example, like, if you have a drink every night, you know, when you’re done with work, oh, I only have one drink a day. Or, you know, I only, you know, drink twice a week, you know, but I just need a little break. I need something. Well, you know, usually we’re drinking alcohol to stop thinking we’re putting a barrier between whatever is stress or whatever is happening in our life and kind of where we want to be. We just want to chill, but we need something to actually help us do that. But that’s a habit, right?

    A lot of people make bold New Year’s resolutions

    So what could you be doing if on your list is also lose m weight or if maybe there’s just feel stronger for me, I don’t care. I mean, I care what I weigh, but it’s not about being a size 0 or 2. I just want to feel strong, you know, I want. Feel like I can take the lid off the spaghetti jar all by myself.

    Wendy Valentine: Some of them, without having to ask someone, will you please remove that tool from qvc?

    Leigh Burgess: That just works like magic, you know, Like, I just want to be able. I want to feel strength. And so I think it’s those types of things that I think come into play too, with our definitions and how we see bold. But yeah, and people are quitting quicker. Right.

    Wendy Valentine: And I, I guess I, I really. What, what made me connect the two was that I feel like a lot of people, especially in the beginning of the year, they’re making these gigantic big, bold, which is okay if you’re really ready to rock and roll and do that. But instead of like, making these huge, gigantic, big, bold steps and bold New Year’s resolutions, maybe it is just getting out of bed. Maybe it is going down to two drinks a night, or, you know what I mean?

    Leigh Burgess: Like, having that conversation. Yeah, yeah.

    Wendy Valentine: Baby bold steps, if you have to do that. And so. Yeah, because I. I don’t know about you, but I have found that as you start to take those little baby bold steps, or whatever you want to call them, those. The quiet, quiet, bold steps. Right.

    Leigh Burgess: Baby bold. Either way.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah. The baby bold.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah.

    Wendy Valentine: But they start to kind of like, they compound and then. And then you’re like, you build up a little bit more courage, and then. And then you’re ready kind of like for a bigger step and a bigger step, and next thing you know, you’re like, holy crap. Like, I just did that.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah. You’ll see a diagram later on in the book that, you know, we talked about in. In the green room, but just specifically around. Each step you take gives you more confidence. And then, that helps you feel more agency or ownership or control, which is always in air quotes, but control of your next steps and your life. And so the more steps you take, the more confidence you feel you learn. And not every step is a step that works. I mean, we know that, right? So. But you learn. Okay, well, I. I made it through that. Even though I didn’t work out, I learned from that. Oh, I won’t do that again. Or I’ll. Or you succeed. You’re like, oh, that works. So maybe that’s how I should approach it this time. But, in the same thing over and over, you know, that’s not what we’re talking about. You know, we’re talking, you know, learning from the steps that you’re taking, which gives you that higher level of agency in your life.

    Do you think everyone is bold? I absolutely do. So I do think people have boldness within them

    Wendy Valentine: Do you think everyone is bold?

    Leigh Burgess: I absolutely do. I think most of us haven’t freed it. And so that was one of the things when I decided to make this, which was a big, loud, bold move, and not because I chose it. it’s just I needed to choose myself after experiencing extreme burnout in the middle of 2020 in my career, something I had thought I would be in my entire life. I had to quit and quit without a plan. And that is just not me in general. And it’s. I have a lot of responsibility, like, built up in my head of, like, what I should do, should not do. And, it was a big move for me. But I think you don’t walk into a Room and go, I’m bold today. Or I’m, you know, I can’t get away from it now. But I think in the general, like I never thought of myself as bold. Like I didn’t describe myself as that. Now I’ll tell you, I’m a bold soul. Like that is who I am. But I think, you know, it. It’s something that is just part of your fiber. And I think the only time I ever used it with my teams, I would say we’re going to take a big swing of bold right here. And this is where, you know, what I’m talking about with my team is like, we’re not sure how it’s going to land, end up, you know, what the outcome may be, but we’ll learn and we’ll do our best to then apply it to the next step. So like in my team, it was just very important that we had permission to fail. Permission m. To be curious and to innovate and to try things. So I do think people have boldness within them. I think sometimes it’s just not fair freed or they’re not willing to free it because it’s too scary. And being bold comes along with a side order, a big healthy helping of fear.

    Wendy Valentine: Yes, I know. I was just thinking it was a, Marianne Williamson’s quote. Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fears that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us.

    Leigh Burgess: Mm

    Wendy Valentine: And sometimes I feel like, and I can relate to this, sometimes people will not take that bold step. Even though if it’s something they truly know that they need to do and it’s in, it’s in, it’s more in line with their purpose and their passion. But if they do that, that means they actually have to take action in sometimes a lot of areas in their life. Maybe they have to change relationships or change their career, quit that job or move to a different place or have those difficult convers conversation. So sometimes we don’t make those bold moves because that, even if it’s meaning that you’re going closer into the light, you’re going more into the light. You know what I mean? That. And yeah. And but you’re right though. It’s about giving ourselves permission. Yes. Go be bold. Go into that light. Go into the light.

    Leigh Burgess: I think people think too that they have to do steps one through 100. So let’s just say it’s a relationship that’s just not feeling like you want it to you know, like, you’re an empty nester or, you know, so my daughter is about, to turn 28. And so, like, when, you know, she, you know, was not kind of the daily of what we were doing. Like, what does that relationship look like afterwards? So that’s an example of, like, I know we can go through phases, our relationships with our spouse or our partner and want them to be at the highest levels, but we also have to have conversations or like, you know, I’m not really sure how that goes. Or like, what do we do now? Or like, where do I fit? You know? So I, think those are hard conversations to have, but if you don’t have them, you kind of keep doing the same thing. You probably start to acclimate, you figure it out or you cohabitate, which for me, in a relationship, I don’t want just a roommate, you know. Yeah. In college. I want a real relationship. What does that look like? So, you know, it’s been fun exploring, kind of like, you know, going on day trips and day dates and doing those types of things and then also checking myself and how I’m working and where I’m at and how much I’m traveling and those types of things. So I think those are sometimes like an example of a bold conversation or a bold move is to just say something’s not feeling like it should. you feel it too, you know, and it isn’t like you have to go into it with this conversation of, you know, in any accusation, but it’s like, are you even picking up on it? And sometimes they might say, no, it’s good.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

    Leigh Burgess: And that’s your cue to go, no, it’s not. You know, so I think having some of those conversations are bold. Thinking about maybe there’s a different path for you. That’s something bull. You just have to take the first step, like take a class or maybe watch a webinar or write down what you want to do. I think there’s so much power. I just spoke yesterday in, a television interview about the power of manifestation. And it isn’t just like making a vision board and putting on the wall and doing nothing.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah. Wouldn’t that be nice?

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah. Magical board. Yeah. Yeah. When you create that, let me know. I’m totally. I want to invest, but I think, you know, it’s the intentional action. It’s the retraining, really, almost rewiring your brain. I mean, there’s a book by Dr. Doty that’s just incredible about literally what happens in your Brain when you’re manifesting the right way, meaning in a way that is intentional, action oriented, empathetic, you know, giving ourselves a little break and, getting at it. So I think those all come into some of our bold moves and our quiet ones or our loud ones.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, I totally agree with everything you said, especially in, in taking action, because, yeah, it would be great if you can sit there and write out your goals and you can, of course, all of that matters and meditating on your goals, but actually taking the action towards making that happen, taking those bold steps, even if they’re tiny steps in the beginning. Right? So I think, yeah, that definitely does end. And when I learned about neuroplasticity, neuroscience and rewiring the brain, that’s really, literally clicked in my brain. I’m like, oh, this is actually rewiring my thoughts and my beliefs as I’m taking these bold steps forward.

    Leigh Burgess: Which is.

    Wendy Valentine: It’s like a nice benefit of the whole thing, right?

    Leigh Burgess: Because it means you’re, you know, you’ve actually trained your mind to look for what you have goals around. Like you are looking for the. Whether it’s the data or the information. I mean, your brain is this beautiful thing that is working to bring the life that you want to you.

    In promotion, you’re putting that vibe out. So not taking things for granted is important

    But if you’re constantly thinking about, oh, I don’t have enough money or, oh, I don’t think I’m gonna ever find someone, oh, I’m not sure that’s ever going to happen for me. In promotion, you’re actually putting that vibe out. So that’s literally what happens. And it’s hard to actually think that because I don’t think there is a normal person in the world that doesn’t have some negative thought come in every now and then. Yeah, right. maybe Gandhi. I don’t know. I just don’t know. I think, you know, it’s knowing what to do with it and how to, you know, learn trash, put it away, whatever you need to do with those thoughts, but pulling into your life the things that you want, you know, I want that promotion. I want a healthy relationship. I want to have a baby, like, whatever it may be, or I want to be a grandma, like whatever it is will happen. But I think you also have to have belief in yourself, which is why I spent so much time in that, you know, of the acronym Believe Unlearned Design. Design. I spent a lot of time there when I first initially started.

    Wendy Valentine: How did you first come up with that, with the whole bold framework?

    Leigh Burgess: It’s the way I learn, honestly, like, all through middle school, high school, you would always see my notes. And on the side, I would create an acronym. You know, if I had the memorize a map. I was literally like, okay, when I go in this direction, it says the word, you know, cold, or, you know, whatever it may be. I. It’s, I don’t know. Someone should tell me what that means, how I learned. But I’m also a very visual learner. So I think for me, I wanted. I needed something to follow myself, because I had no clue what was next. I literally had quit my job, had a small Runway of savings and investment, those types of things, but I didn’t win the lottery. It wasn’t like I just couldn’t, you know, I could just vacation and figure things out for a long time. I had five months, but I needed. I wasn’t sure what to do. I could be anything I wanted to be at 48. And it was a really awesome feeling, but also, like, I don’t know if this is going to work. You know, how will I be an entrepreneur? I had never even thought of that because it wasn’t how I was raised, you know, So I was raised, you know, you go to college, you get the job, you know, you, you know, work real hard, get the title, get the, you know, get the raises, all that jazz, and then retire and then live, you know, whatever that means. I personally want to live now. And so I think that’s really, really important. And, you know, it’s not that I’m yolo at all costs, but I’m pretty YOLO in the sense of, you know, there’s no guarantee that we’re going to be here tomorrow. There’s no guarantee that your loved ones will be there. I lost my brother when I was six, and, yeah, so I realized really, really early that, you know, he was 11. That age doesn’t equal. You get to, you know, live forever. So not taking things for granted was really, really important for me, too. So that bold framework and the beliefs, the good ones and the ones I didn’t even know were there stacking up, were really, really important for me to jump into ownership was big for me because I owned everything, that went wrong, but I never owned anything that went right. I was always the fixer. I was always the one coming in and, you know, making things better. But I never was celebrating. I never was looking at what I had accomplished. Even today, I struggle with it, which I’m better at it, but it’s just not something I like to even do. I Like appreciation. I hate attention. And I’m the same way, the wrong business for that. But I think in, in at the heart of me honestly is an introvert. And for me, what that means is I power up in smaller groups with smaller groups of people who are closer to me versus, you know, I get jazzed about going into a room with 7,000 people. I absolutely can do that, no problem. But it just takes more energy from me versus, kind of some of those smaller spaces give me energy. And learning is just something that I think is really important for everyone, but to apply it. So that didn’t go like I thought, well, let’s dig into it a little bit more and understand it. And sometimes there’s an in depth you can do. And sometimes it’s like it just wasn’t the right thing at the right time or the right person. It could be multiple things. It doesn’t mean you’re a failure. It doesn’t mean you’re not good at your job. It doesn’t. All these things where I used to equal, like, failure wasn’t a dead end, but it probably meant I needed to do something different when it could be somebody. It’s. I don’t own it Again, going back to own. There was a lot of me going back and forth, between those and then design really came out of like, I could be anything I wanted to be. We, we created four businesses and one of the businesses when we were brainstorming was, interior design slash events company. And so I love creating warm spaces and having people come in and feel like what I call earthy luxury. Like you’re grounded and you’re, you’re just cozy and it’s a big hug. And I tried to go out and like, I took a class. I did certain things. I did the whole, like, you know, figuring out what I could do to design things. And it just. I realized I couldn’t do that, ah, as a career at that space because my goal was just to make what I made. And I just wanted to, you know, be able to. To continue our life at the level it was. And I just realized I couldn’t do that that quickly in five months or less. I didn’t have the contacts and all that jazz that goes along with that. It’s, it’s not an easy thing to break into at, that quickly. So I wanted to pull that into my work of designing and creating it. And I also learned about my own human design, which was just like this aha moment because I’d had every Leadership, you know, survey you can ever have in a corporate career, like the Disc or your mbti, your strengths finder. And there’s probably new ones now, but I mean, I’ve taken those like so many times. It’s like, yes, that’s me. Thanks. You know, it’s like I needed something that kind of dug a little deeper into like truly who I am. And I really felt like the human design was just this really, really eye opening thing for me of like things, hidden spaces that I didn’t see maybe, and also how I operate with others, who either are in the same channel or maybe where my channel ends and theirs begins. It’s just really, really cool.

    The Freedom Framework helps you design your blueprint for your bold life

    So I wanted to pull that into design as well as designing your blueprint for your bold life. And at the end of the book when you go through all the activities, you have designed your bold blueprint.

    Wendy Valentine: Oh, that is so awesome. One thing I’ve learned with all the guests that I’ve had on the show is that like we’re our own guinea pigs. And just like I had said, I think in the intro, like from your burnout to breakthrough, like if you had not left, I would think most likely if you not left your maybe comfy, although burnout, comfy corporate career and then embarked on this new journey, you may not have realized a lot of this stuff. And then now it is whatever you’ve learned, you’re now teaching, which is really cool. So it’s like I have found that like everyone that’s been on the show, it’s like we’ve all been through something and we come up with this like, ah, I’ve got it. I’ve got this solution for this problem. And it’s so magical how it all comes together. And I love acronyms as well. Even my book is the Freedom Framework. I’m like, I couldn’t help it. F, R, E, O, N. You know, I wish mine was only four letters like that. I’m like, I can’t remember it all. Ah. but yeah, I love, and I love the bold framework.

    Step one is believe in your potential. I mean, it seems like the obvious

    So, step one is believe in your potential. So let’s, let’s take a look at that one a little bit more in depth. I mean, it seems like the obvious believe in your potential. And part of that, I think was in that first couple of chapters I’ve read already in also. Right. Defining what is bold and reminding yourself of your greatness. Right, right.

    Leigh Burgess: I think it’s important just the word potential, for example, because I think you could probably, you know, do a Dissertation just on what does that word mean?

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, yeah.

    Boldness is the courage to step forward and make changes

    Leigh Burgess: So for the listeners and for those that, you know, pick up the book, I think potential is also defined by you, because I think sometimes some people may have grown up in a particular way that, you know, you’re supposed to do this this way at this time. You know, you’re supposed to get married, have a child, have a career, do what, you know, you’re not supposed to get married, you’re not supposed to have children. You’re only supposed to think about your career. I mean, you could be told different things and, and some iteration of that, or, you know, maybe you already are an entrepreneur, but it isn’t something that, you know, at this point is really feeling like it connects to what you want to be. Because, I mean, freedom to, to evolve. You don’t have to ask for permission. And so when we think about potential is like, what could be different to make your life fuller, more joyful, more aligned. For me, I was so out of whack with my values. Like, I valued my family, my relationships, my joy, having fun, helping others. Like, those were so, so important. I was doing some of those things in my job. But the majority of the number one, two threes were back burnered, like my family, my relationships, my connections. Because I was just all about work 17 hours a day. And I was stressed out, a stress ball. And I didn’t realize I had the potential to be an entrepreneur.

    Wendy Valentine: I kind of feel like I got.

    Leigh Burgess: Punted, honestly, by God into. He’s like, okay, you’re not getting the message, girl. Let’s do it this way, you know, because you can’t ignore it. And so there I went, and it was like, okay, I’m here and I can do it. And that was like this, you know, belief was like the number one high octane thing in my tank. Because many people when I made the change, didn’t understand. They’re like, yes, who are you? Like, what do you mean? We don’t have anything in common anymore? And I’m just like, I’m really happy. And I remember a woman saying to me, I’m just surprised I’m even happy for you. And I was like, I don’t know how to really take that.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, yeah, exactly. thank you.

    Leigh Burgess: friends. Yeah. So that was more about her than me, but at that time, of course. Oh. I just want people to understand, like, this is okay. It’s. I didn’t, you know, all, all the hard work and things I’ve done over 20 years didn’t just disappear. But I just want to use it differently now. And so it’s, it’s, it’s a time during, you know, when you’re making those transitions that beliefs really important that you have it because some people won’t believe in you or they might try to talk you out of it.

    Wendy Valentine: As a matter of fact, I have in front of me your definition of being bold. Boldness is the courage to step forward and make changes, even when the path ahead may be shrouded in uncertainty. It’s about trusting the intuitive spark within. Even when doubts cloud the horizon. It requires facing challenges head on, anchored in unwavering self belief, even when external voices attempt to sway you. And I can relate to this because even for me it was like, wait, what are you going to do, Wendy? You’re going to quit a really nice paying job and take off at an RV across the country? I’m like, yep, that’s what I’m doing.

    Leigh Burgess: I’m like, tell me more. You know, right.

    Wendy Valentine: But you. And it’s funny that I don’t know about you, but I found that like when you, when you step into your, your power and your true, like your really honor your values and you’re bold and you’re taking those steps forward, it’s almost like it, it sparks fear in others. And that’s when they come at you going, I can’t believe you’re doing this. Why? What the heck? Are you sure? Like, oh, and you could. I could. For me, I could tell for others, they were like, oh my God. You’re, you’re just, what, what are you going to do? How are you going to, you know, they were like so worried. It’s like just like you said earlier. But that was her. That was her deal. That was her. Those were her fears or something within her. And you do have to kind of stay in your lane and just focus on. You have to trust your intuition and, and know that you can do it.

    Being careful with your dream is really important, Leanne says

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah. And be careful with your dream. You know, treat it with some, I, think protective, you know, measures because I think when I first made, that switch, I also told everyone my ideas and things I had and you know, four different businesses and they’re just like, how do you not have a plan and what are you going to do? And what does bold stand for? And it was just like you realized automatically that you should not have said it. But I think that’s where I, you know, I’ve always talked about kind of if you think about a bullseye, who is the closest in you know, at certain times. And people will move on that board probably throughout your life. You know, I was so scared to tell my mom. She was the one I was most scared to tell that I quit my job because she loves me and, you know, she doesn’t want me to not have a paycheck. And, you know, you know, you know, she just, you know, gets scared if those types of things happen. And she was the one who was like, I am so glad, Leanne. And she always calls me by my middle name when we’re having, like, a serious conversation. She’s like, you’re going to be so much healthier. So, like, everyone saw where I was and where I was going in the burnout, but at, being the one in the middle of it, I didn’t see it. I mean, you’re probably like, how could you not see it? Like, you didn’t leave your desk. You didn’t talk to your husband. All you did was maybe sleep two hours. You know, it was easily two to three hours of sleep at all. And, I mean, I know that’s a problem, but somehow in it, you don’t realize it. So I think being. Being careful who you share your dream with and not. I’m not saying everyone should be like, oh, go, girl. You’re number one. You’re the best. You need people who cheer you and challenge you, and finding that person or persons is. Is really important.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, that was good. I like that.

    If you want something to be different or you’re feeling something’s off

    step two. Own your story. I love this one.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah. So this has a whole host. I. I talked a little bit. Why I really enjoyed this particular part of the journey for me. And you may go back, like, you’ll read the book and you’ll need to go back and maybe knock some things down in ownership or belief or, you know, you can revisit, but ownership really is. It’s up to you. I mean, you’ve heard Mel Robbins, she’s probably the most famous person I’ve heard say is like, no one’s coming to save you.

    Wendy Valentine: Yes.

    Leigh Burgess: Right. Clear on that. And she is right. So I think just understanding, like, if you want something to be different or you’re feeling something’s off, or you’re not sure what’s next and you’re curious, what are you going to do about it? Yeah, this is a perfect time of the year to start to try something new. And it’s all. It all can feel scary. I mean, fear is usually the first thing that comes up. And a whole host of a list, 100 things that say what if? And So I think we all have those lists. But. And we think about, if I take the action, this is what could happen. But I want you to just think about, what if I don’t. What if I don’t take the move or don’t get curious or don’t discover something or learn something new. Maybe that will help me have more data to make a decision. Because sometimes just that getting more data to make or to, to make the change. But what’s the cost of inaction? Will you be, you know, are you not going to be happy? Will you be less happy? Will you feel like you’re just going through the motions? Like, I’m really good at my job. I didn’t leave my job because I wasn’t good at it. I just no longer felt happy and felt like it. It could be the thing that was making the difference for me in my life to be most aligned. And obviously it was taking away from some of the most important things in my life, like my family. So I knew I needed to do something, but, you know, and I tried to do the normal things, like apply for a job. And, you know, this was 2020, you know, like, that was happening as easily, you know, so not. Not that it’s easy now either. But I think I had, in this, ideal world that, you know, corporate world was stable, so that that’s where I should stay. Be an entrepreneur. That’s so risky. And, oh, my goodness and all those things, you know, again, how I was raised, not good or bad, but just kind of what my mentality was around it. So, like, I had never even thought of that. And like I said, I think I got punted into being an entrepreneur and, you know, owning that and owning, like, okay, who’s the boss today? Well, it’s me. So, yeah, schedule. I need, you know, I need a plan. I need to understand. But it was really interesting because when I turned in my resignation and I gave a month’s notice, I also turned in my incorporation papers for my business I started. And then in that same month, so, like, I left my role and like, literally the following Monday, I had my incorporation papers. Now I knew I couldn’t just jump right back in because I was so unhealthy, mentally, physically, spiritually, like, you name it, I was not in good shape. So I knew just jumping right back in was not a good idea because I would just burn out. And it was really important for me to kind of do this parallel build as well as nurture and bring myself back so that I could look in the mirror and just say, you know, I like you because I wasn’t at that place, at all. And, so it takes some intentional real work and understanding kind of. You. You need to work on yourself, too, and take care of yourself, just as much as we take care of others.

    A lot of people are afraid to jump into something new

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, I was thinking, too, just like with owning your story, you own the pen, right?

    Leigh Burgess: You.

    Wendy Valentine: You are the one in charge of writing your story and rewriting your story. And just like we talked about earlier, evolving, we’re. We’re always writing and rewriting and. And I love what you said earlier about when you ventured off to do that to the one business. You know, you were bold enough to try it and bold enough to know, like, okay, this isn’t working. I’m going to pivot and do something else. And a lot of people, they’re kind of afraid to jump into something new because, like, oh, my God, what if it doesn’t work? And. And I think, to me, it’s about being aware of, tapping. Tapping into yourself and going, okay, how am I feeling about this move? Do I like it? Do I not like it? And giving yourself. It’s like, it’s good to give yourself permission to be bold and take those steps into something, but also be bold to take the steps out of something. You know what I mean? If it’s. If it’s not quite working and aligning with what you’re wanting, but it’s okay to try, it doesn’t mean it’s a failure at all, because each thing leads to the next.

    Leigh Burgess: No. Yeah. You wouldn’t know that that didn’t work. I wouldn’t have known that. It’s really hard to kind of break into it, especially that late in my career. And also, maybe if I had two years, I think I could have done it. But I didn’t have two years. I had five months at that point. I had three months. And so for me, you know, even trying these things, there was this click, click, click of the clock. and it was really, really important for me to realize, like, I, you know, can’t wait to just figure things out. Like, I really need to be active and agile. So that’s also something that I think is important for my, you know, my brand of gold is, like, being active, not sitting back, kind of. And that doesn’t mean not relaxing or taking time off. It just means, for me, like, I’m actively involved in, like, what I’m doing next and why it’s important. We talked in agreement about. For me, I honestly think this Is like the year of less.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

    Leigh Burgess: And what I mean by that is not that I’m going to, you know, sit around and, you know, just drink margaritas all day. Although, you know, that sounds pretty.

    Wendy Valentine: Sounds amazing.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah. Oh, shoot. Someplace warm. Yeah, that would be cool. New England is not warm in the summer. I mean, in the winter. So, you know, But I think it’s more so about, like, where am I going to spend my energy and my time? And there are going to be things probably not only in my personal life, but my professional life, where I’m going to do less of that because I don’t see it having as much impact or being aligned or maybe being even something that people need. And that’s hard as a. You know, even in, you know, whether you’re in the corporate world or at home or you’re an entrepreneur, when you do something, you invest and you get it out there and it didn’t go as planned or it isn’t kind of able to look at and live. It’s sad, but.

    Wendy Valentine: Yes. Yeah.

    Leigh Burgess: It had its moment and.

    Wendy Valentine: Right.

    Leigh Burgess: It’s time to go to the next one. And.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

    Leigh Burgess: Moment in our life. And I think we’ve heard this a lot. And, you know, what got you here will not get you there. And so really thinking about what the next level of you is and this time of becoming, like, I’m really stuck on that word.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

    Leigh Burgess: And it’s this. And it’s messy.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

    Leigh Burgess: Okay. And I think that I want women to know is, like, the middle is messy. And yes. I’m, sure they’ve heard this before, but there’s really beauty in the mess. You know, there’s like.

    Wendy Valentine: There is. I love it.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah. Think about the things that are memories in your life, whether it’s a relationship or a birthday party or, like, those things stick. The messes stick. You know, and some of the bad ones, you know, they probably stick too. But that’s where the learning comes. Comes from.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah. I mean, like, we, we probably all have stories where we could talk about, like, a vacation where something went wrong. But those are the ones that you remember that are, like, so funny or so crazy. But, you know, I was gonna say, too, sometimes being bold is doing less. Absolutely. and I mean, as women, we love to, like, I can do it all. Like, sometimes being bold is like, you know what? I’m not doing it all.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah.

    Wendy Valentine: I’m not doing all this stuff. Like. And that’s in giving yourself, again, permission to do less, and it’s okay. Does it make you Less of a woman. If you’re doing less.

    Leigh Burgess: No. And I, you know, maybe we’ll come up with a better word than less, but I think it’s just being very focused.

    Sometimes things can drain our battery and drain our energy

    Yeah, we’re going to spend your time. Do you have to be on every committee? Do you have to run the hoa? Yeah, I did that one year, two years, three years. Three years I was the HOA president because I was just like, this has got to be better and we can do things. And I was like, like, for sure I did really good things, but man, that took a lot of time. That was in addition to full time job and all those other things. That sounds like a silly example, but it is. You know, most of us aren’t going in and going, I’m just gonna, you know, do this halfway. You know, I’m just gonna be honest, just, you know, just kind of sit there. I’m just gonna go to my job and have a job. No, you actually go in and give it your all. So if you’re giving your all in all these spaces, there’s not much left. Yeah, I think that’s where I, you know, ended up. And then I also didn’t realize like what life could be if I had my own schedule that I ran or what it could be if I could actually walk the dogs at lunchtime. And these again, sound like small things, but they’re things I never.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, yeah, they’re big things though. Yeah, I always can. Like I think about being a, Sounds silly, like an energy snob. I’m very selective about where I place my energy. What, where, what energy is coming towards me and thinking like, that my Garmin watch it, it reminds you. Like it’ll tell you if your battery you yourself, as if you are a battery if you’re running low, if you’re high or whatever. And I think of it that way, like sometimes how things, people, experiences, or jobs can drain our battery and drain our energy and it’s up to us to go, okay, wait a minute. This is draining me way too much. I need to revive. I need, I need to regroup and reset. And it’s important to do that because otherwise, yeah, we do end up, you know, exhausted and burnout.

    Leigh Burgess: And it’s not just like, I’m gonna take a spa day. Those are fabulous and I encourage them, but I think more so like set up a monthly spa, set up a quarterly spa. Do something that’s really like something that’s going to be a habit that you. And don’t, cancel it you know.

    Wendy Valentine: I would never cancel a spa day ever.

    Leigh Burgess: I finally figure it out. That’s actually how you can get seen when you want to get seen.

    Wendy Valentine: Y.

    Leigh Burgess: Last minute.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, exactly.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah. So I think the other thing is really when you think about your energy and your battery is that, you know, you are the one that is kind of in control of that.

    Wendy Valentine: Yes, exactly.

    Leigh Burgess: And you’re learning. But for me, this is where I learned that one. I have perfectionism tendencies. I had. I have imposter syndrome in the entrepreneurial world. I never experienced in the corporate world, but definitely here.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

    Leigh Burgess: And then I have people pleasing tendencies. So those are trifectas of some things that can also create, maybe a misalignment with how you’re using your energy or who you’re spending time with. So those were some shadows I had that I learned about myself, that I’m aware there. And I know I need to make sure that, you know, when I’m, you know, putting myself down or thinking that, oh, you know, that didn’t go like I thought it was, or, oh, you know, is she unhappy with me? And these are things that come up for me. Like, what am I doing? Like, don’t spend your energy on that. This isn’t, you know, run your race. Like, run.

    Wendy Valentine: Yes.

    Leigh Burgess: You know.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah. And that’s perfect that you said that.

    Step three is learn continuously. I’m guessing because I haven’t gotten to step three yet

    Because step three is learn continuously. Yes.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah, it is, it is.

    Wendy Valentine: It’s like, yeah, we are a work in progress and learning who we are. I’m guessing because I haven’t gotten to step three yet.

    Leigh Burgess: Masterpiece in Motion is my new reframe for that. Because I used to say work in progress all the time, but I was like, that sounds like there’s something wrong with me. Like, I’ve got to do. Like I heard. I think it was actually, ah, a preacher say, like, masterpiece in motion. So like, I am.

    Wendy Valentine: Oh, I like that.

    Leigh Burgess: I am. I was created, and I’m here for a reason. And I’m, you know, obviously going to hopefully get better and better at it. Ah. As I keep living.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, yeah. Learning continuously. And you’re right. I mean, like, it’s again going back to evolving and learning who we are. And our, I mean, our relationships change thing, our jobs change. Everything changes around us. But sometimes we’re not like, okay, wait a second, how is this changing me? And how can I again take control? Or I don’t like that word, but whatever. That’s all I got right now. Right?

    Leigh Burgess: You have more agency.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, exactly.

    Leigh Burgess: I’m in charge. Right. Of what I’m doing today versus someone else telling me m. What to do or how to do or tell me if I’m good enough to. I, I have, like, a chip on my shoulder, like, when it comes to, like, just in general, like, how we evolve in the corporate world and how someone says, you’re good enough if you do this and this and this. I’m not saying not learn skills, but I’m just saying sometimes it doesn’t feel like people get promoted or move into certain roles based on actually their outcomes and what they’ve done. a whole host of things, which I think sometimes may not be what the system was set up for to do, which was promote people into jobs. But I think, you know, in general, when you think about your learning, you also have to learn when to stop. I used to think, like, if it didn’t work, I needed to try harder, do it again, take on more responsibility, try harder, do it again, take on more responsibility. Which is what I did for a very long time and often worked to fix something. But that is literally what I did to get to that point of complete and utter burnout was, you know, take on more, take more responsibility, do it again.

    Are you chasing something that just isn’t meant for you? Yeah. There is a point where I realized

    And I think another big learning in this area is particularly like, are you chasing something that just isn’t meant for you?

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

    Leigh Burgess: You know, you’re very driven. You’re very, you know, you know, on point. You’ve written your goals, you know what you want to do, and you’re gonna get it. And I’m not a quitter.

    Wendy Valentine: Right.

    Leigh Burgess: So I’m m gonna keep. Right. There is a point where I realized, I think in kind of the debrief of my life, you know, 0 to 48, that I was doing when I was writing the book, and thinking about the framework is like, that just isn’t meant for me. And I didn’t. I have now stopped chasing so much of what I thought my life was supposed to be. And actually just which is. This is not easy. It is not easy sitting in it in my life and kind of letting certain things happen, whether they do or don’t, you know, it’s meant to be. It will. And I truly believe that. And I think that comes from just also, evolution of your learning, too, is like, am I chasing something? Am I running into this wall? Am I, you know, giving someone the benefit of the doubt for the 300th time? Maybe I need.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, well, sometimes I think, like, learning is also unlearning. It’s the unbecoming. It’s just like Michelangelo. Right. I love that story of when they asked him, how did you carve the statue of David? He’s like, oh, that was easy. I just carved away everything that was not him. And sometimes that’s what we have to. Especially at midlife, I feel like we’ll kind of look back and go, wait a second, how did all that happen and how did I end up here and why am I doing this and not doing that? So sometimes it’s unlearning those thoughts or beliefs or actions or inactions that are not in alignment with who you truly are and who you want to be.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah. And the journey you’ve been on, already giving credit to that journey to this point.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, totally.

    Leigh Burgess: What you’ve done, what you’ve accomplished, what you’ve overcome.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

    Leigh Burgess: You’ve helped. Like, those are things that you have done. Like, have you looked back and really done that inventory? And then it’s like, now what do I do with that? Because that’s really special. How do I channel that? And for me, I just have a servant leader mindset of like, I want to help people. I want people to see the power of belief. I want people to see me and go, yeah, like, she did it. Every day is not perfect, but she is doing it. She’s living this bold life. Like, bold living is, is. Is full of imperfection and things that don’t go right. But don’t sell yourself short with regard to your journey up into this point, because you have learned some things that are very, very special and you have done some things that I think other people are inspired by and you just may not even know it.

    Wendy Valentine: Yep. And pat yourself on the back for the things that you’ve done, no matter how big or how are. Because I’m sure, I think there was a part in the book where you had said that, like, think back in your life of times where you have taken some bold moves. I mean, no matter what, it’s getting out of a s* relationship or applying for that job or quitting that job, whatever it is. I mean, not. Not eating the chocolate cake last night.

    Leigh Burgess: Or something even more serious like overcoming a miscarriage or getting out.

    Wendy Valentine: Yes.

    Leigh Burgess: Or being the first in your family to go to college, those are freaking bold moves. And, also it could be something as quiet that no one knows about. It’s like, I don’t talk to myself so awfully. I mean, I had some really, really negative self talk happening. So for me, like, to get out of that habit was also a bold move. Like, just, ah, it’s really important to make sure that you, you know, people, you know, don’t take the credit, but you need to take the credit for your life to this. Yeah.

    Wendy Valentine: Ah.

    Leigh Burgess: And now you need own, own it. Moving forward.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, yeah. Embrace it. Yeah.

    Step four, design your bold life. So like, when you design a room, so you’re gonna

    So step four, design your bold life.

    Leigh Burgess: Which is all about the fun stuff. So like, when you think about when you design a room, so you’re gonna, you know, whether you’re gonna do color or whether you’re gonna do, you know, a picture wall or how much white space are you going to have? What’s going to be the balance of the room? How do you create harmony among the things that are in it? I mean, I mean those are some exact, you know, things that you do when you’re designing a room. But how about designing your life? Like, where’s the harmony? How are you going to balance in it? I don’t mean, I don’t believe in balance. Honestly. I, I think alignment is my word because balance just feels like so short lived.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah. We’re a perfectionist or something. We can’t, yeah.

    Leigh Burgess: Seesaw. You’re only balance for a moment. It’s like, yeah, then you’re not, you know, so I don’t want, I like, I like alignment. It’s a little longer, but you still need to check in on it. So. But when you’re thinking about creating that design for your life, like, what’s going to be there? What’s, you know, how are you going to arrange it? How are you going to, you know, have enough space to move around in it? So like, if you think of white space, that’s a great example of like, you know, when someone puts all the pictures on the wall, and this is, the whole wall is full of pictures, which is kind of a cool aesthetic, but it’s hard to appreciate each one or to see, each one. So, like, when you think about your life right now, do you have a lot of white space on your wall of life or is it full of committees and responsibilities and drop offs and pickups and your career? like where, you know, do you need some more white space? And what can come down right, doesn’t mean you can’t, back up later. It just means you need to be able to see them. Right. And so having clarity is really, really a big piece also of being able to manifest what you want, want to do and how you want to move forward in your life. And that clarity is not just, I, you know, I want to run a race. Like, which race? What time? When is it how long is it? That should be on your vision board. Right? So it’s not just I want to be healthy and as someone like, you know, and their yoga outfit. No, like what does healthy mean to you?

    Wendy Valentine: It means yes.

    Leigh Burgess: Wrong. And can lift 20 pounds or I can do. You know, I saw Mel Robbins again. I guess she’s on my mind today. She wants to chin up. You know, that’s her new our pull up. And like I think about, you know, we used to do the flexed arm hang and, and we never even got to do pull ups. Count as that. Do you, did you do the flexed arm hang? It’s the silly.

    Wendy Valentine: Oh well, no, I did. Well, it was. I think the boys had to do it this way and we had to do that. Oh yeah, we would have to hold.

    Leigh Burgess: All ah, we got to do was yeah, just hang. We just.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah, you just keep your chin above the, the cold bar. Yeah, exactly.

    Leigh Burgess: That’s it. It was like, no, I want to do like four pull ups.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

    Leigh Burgess: So like that should be on your board. Right. And those are the types of things. And I haven’t made my board for this year, so that’s happening this weekend. And so I really want to. I mean I’ve been thinking about it obviously, but making sure it’s really, really specific and intentional when you’re thinking about the design because you don’t like, oh, I don’t care what color the couch is. M. I mean think about it.

    Wendy Valentine: Sometimes we’ll spend more time designing a room in a house, in our lives, our health, our well being, our finances, our career, our family and friends. Like literally. It’s like, why don’t we spend more time, dedicate more time towards designing our lives.

    Leigh Burgess: Right? Yeah. Design your life like you would your kitchen. You know, like, ah, yeah. We spent so much time on and picking everything out and going and visiting it and. And you know, I used to visit the marble because I was like, we couldn’t afford it but I would go and hug it. You know, like, you’re coming M to my house. You know you’re coming. It ended up there, which is great. No one got it. But I mean we need to figure out how to do that for ourselves. And. Yeah, you just have to start it. You know, all of these things together at one time could feel extremely overwhelming. And one more thing. I’ve got to do better or do now. Just start. All you have to do is start the book and you just define your definition of bold. You create affirmations, you, you’ll See, in the some chapters, you’ll actually define what your bold Persona, you know.

    Wendy Valentine: Yes, I saw that.

    Leigh Burgess: There’s different ways of being bold and so understanding. It’s yours, it’s.

    Lee Burges: You guys have to get this book. It’s perfect for this year

    It’s not mine. or, or, you know, anyone else’s. Define you. You. You will define it.

    Wendy Valentine: I’m so happy that you were bold to write that book and to finish the book and to publish the book. I mean, that’s a whole.

    Leigh Burgess: That’s a whole other bold journey.

    Wendy Valentine: That’s a whole other thing. I’m so glad it is so good. I mean, I usually like. I’ll recommend a lot of books on the podcast, but I. You guys have to get this book. And it’s perfect for this year. It’s perfect. Perfect. It’s perfect any time of year. But get it. And you will be bold today and every day and tomorrow, you know, so where can we find you in. And most importantly, get a copy of the book.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah. So definitely. So go to my website, Lee Burges.com and. And, there are multiple tabs. One of them is for the book. You can pick your. Your choice of where you’d like to buy it. It’s wherever you buy books. It’s also on Audible and, an ebook. So any your form of how you learn or read. I, really enjoyed the. The audiobook creating my favorite part of the entire process because you’ve read your book a million times and when you’re reading it and you get to put your inflection and, you know, throw in some things here or there that hopefully they don’t cut out.

    Wendy Valentine: So you got. You got to do the audiobook then.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah. Yeah.

    Wendy Valentine: That is awesome.

    Leigh Burgess: Such a wonderful experience. So I enjoy that. And I’ve heard a lot of people, they’ve read the book and then they’ve now gone back and it just came out the audible version and for you to be able to kind of hear that too. So definitely pick it up there. And then you also see all the other things that we get into in our bold work world.

    Wendy Valentine: I want to say one more thing. the other thing I really love about your book, it’s a how to book. It’s not a fluffy book. You know, like it, like, you tell the reader, this is what you need to do, like, start here, then we go here and here, and you walk them through it. So I love that. And I think we need more books like that. So thank you. Appreciate it.

    Leigh Burgess: Yeah, it’s like a coach in the covers, like front cover, back cover, the coaching and then taking it at your pace and rate.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah. Thank you so much.

    Leigh Burgess: Absolutely. Thank you for having me.

    Wendy Valentine: Yeah. Everyone have a great day. And most importantly, be bold today.

    Leigh Burgess: That’s, Right. Bold.

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