Karen ChEong is an internationally recognized transformational speaker and healer

Wendy Valentine: Welcome to the Midlife Makeover Show. I’m your host, Wendy Valentine. And if you’ve ever felt like you’re doing all the inner work, been there, done that, therapy, personal development, meditation, yet something still feels off, then today’s episode is for you. Our guest, Karen Chong is an internationally recognized transformational speaker, writer and healer who helps people release deep unconscious blocks, what she calls distortion patterns so they can finally experience the richness and freedom of life. After a personal health crisis in her early 20s set her on a journey of self discovery, Karen spent over 25 years exploring energetic and mystical systems leading to a life changing realization. The key to transformation starts at the frequency level. Today, Karen is here to teach us why so many people feel stuck even after years of self work, and how we can finally break free and gain momentum. Get ready to rethink everything you thought you knew about personal growth and step into a whole new level of empowerment.

Please welcome Karen to the show. Ra: Thank you so much for your welcome

Please welcome Karen to the show. Ra.

Karen Cheong: Thank you. Oh my God, I love that. I need to take that intro from you. That’s amazing.

Wendy Valentine: You know what’s so funny? When I, when I first started this podcast, I used to record the intros like on a separate time. You know, I would, and then I’d have my editor piece it together and I was like, silly. I was like, what if I just do it right then and there, you know?

Karen Cheong: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: And then. But it’s so funny because it talk about frequency levels. It’s like, whoa. You know, like the guest always is.

Karen Cheong: Like, yeah, that’s fine, I’m coming on. Well, I appreciate it.

Wendy Valentine: That’s the tone, right?

Karen Cheong: Like, yeah, absolutely sets the tone. I love it. Okay, let’s rock.

Wendy Valentine: You’re welcome. And you know, yeah, we had not a rough start, but it’s funny, you know, we’re talking about this, that we had some technical difficulties, but, people with high frequencies tend to have more technical difficulty. If there’s anything negative about having such positive frequency, that’s it. But we’ll take it. We’ll take it.

Karen Cheong: We’ll take it. Yeah, totally.

Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

Neo had a number of breakthrough moments in frequency work

So, okay, we’re gonna go back in time, tell us about your breakdown and lead us into your breakthrough moment.

Karen Cheong: Yeah, well, I’ve had a number of them. You know, I feel like most of us who start on this journey of exploration, really. Cause that’s what it is. Like, we’re just in an exploration of what can we possibly be? And my exploration of like, okay, well, what is there that I can’t see that creates form, that creates what I feel is Immovable. But that creates, like, this density of this world. What is there. So for me, I’ve had a couple of those moments. The one that led me into frequency work was that, you know, at the time, I was living in San Francisco, with my husband and partner, Chris, meaning business partner, and we had a real estate practice there. So we were helping people buy and sell their homes. And from the outside, I mean, this life looked amazing, right? We were one of the top producers in the city, so lots of money coming in. We had a 90% referral rate. So we actually really loved our clients. Our, rule between Chris and myself was, we don’t work with douchebags. We only work with nice people, you know, because we work really hard, and we had the good fortune to be able to choose really nice people, which was really great. And, you know, we got to travel a lot. We loved the city that we were living in. So, you know, on the outside, life looked pretty damn amazing. And, you know, this is, like, after, like, 25 years of seeking. So I’m an intense person. I did all the stuff, you know, I did all the personal development stuff, exploring all the energetic modalities. And I’m also really curious. So I was like, well, what happens when I implement this stuff, right? Like, I mean, it’s one thing to sit in a workshop and another thing to be like, okay, well, does this work in my life? You know, like, let’s see what happens when we apply it. So I’d be applying all this stuff, and, you know, like I said, our, life looked amazing from the outside anyway. And. But for me, internally, despite all the inner work, I still felt a lot of scarcity. So my experience was I would spreadsheet often, like, sometimes nightly, depending how stressed I was, how many days we had left until we had to sell our house and move in with my parents. So, you know, and, you know, of course, I’d done enough inner work to realize that this is not normal. This is not the way I want to feel. This is not a good feeling for me. And, you know, Chris would show me our bank account, be like, you know, babe, we got enough. And we’d had more than enough. But still, I had this feeling. So I started also noticing that despite doing all these different energetic modalities and personal development and doing what we could for our clients and going above and beyond and doing all this stuff, that there were still agents who were. Were not doing as much, who didn’t care as much about their clients, and yet were outperforming us. So I was like, that’s really weird. And then I started asking the universe a question. Now, I don’t know if you’ve ever asked the universe a question enough times that you start to get an answer. Well, my question was, what the hell am I missing? What am I missing? You know, what’s going on that I can’t see? That is like a blind spot for me, right? So I happened to be on my acupuncturist table just after a journey from France. And I’ve been asking this question now for a couple of months. And, the answer sort of came in, in a funny, A funny way. Because she said to me, have you ever heard of frequency work? And literally in that moment, time got really long. Like, I don’t know if you’ve ever. If anybody remembers that scene in the Matrix, you know, where, like, Neo goes back and the bullets fly by him in this slow motion and he, like, flicks them off. Okay, well, imagine a very mund version of that of a woman in her 40s, you know, in the acupuncturist office, right? But it really. I mean, in that moment, it, like, time slowed so I could see, like, every single angle as I turned. Like, really. It was a very odd moment. And as soon as that happened, I knew. Or I had to ask her. Well, no, I haven’t, but I know that I need to. What is it? And so when I started frequency work, it wasn’t like I had a particular outcome. Like, I wasn’t like, let me have healing abilities. Let me save the world. Let me whatever. I was just like, can I just please freaking stop spreadshee? That would be amazing. You know what I mean? Can I just have that fear of not enoughness? Go away. That’s really all I wanted. And because, like, I’m an intense person, I did it intensively. And after a couple of months, my husband said to me, hey, have you noticed that you’ve stopped spreadsheeting? And I’m like, no, actually, I hadn’t noticed it. But that’s amazing because, you know, with frequency work, because it’s at the level of a quantum, you don’t really necessarily feel like the thing that is your new state, your new resonance level is just your new normal, right? So you don’t notice it as much until you look backwards a little bit. And so it just became my new normal. And because I was like, well, if this can happen, if I do this by releasing my distortion patterns, meaning rise in my frequency resonance, well, what else is possible? So I just kept doing it and then fast forward two years.

Wendy was invited to a 12 day meditation retreat in Sedona

And it’s funny that you mentioned this because I got, called to a, retreat in Sedona, which is where you are right now, which is kind of funny and ironic. And, I’d never heard of the teacher. I’d never heard of the work he’d done. And it was a 12 day retreat, which, you know, anybody out there is like anybody who owns a small business, like, to, to take 12 days off completely from your business is like a, feat of like, logistical coordination and a whole bunch of other things, right? So I was like, man, I mean, I don’t know that it makes sense for me to go, but I knew I had to. And as soon as I signed up, it was confirmed because my resistance went off the charts, right? So it was just like all these reasons why I shouldn’t be going popped up and I almost sent a cancellation email like I don’t know how many times, but I knew enough about myself to be like, okay, something big is about to change. I don’t know what it is, but I gotta go. So I go to this retreat and I arrive there and there’s like 100 people in this room in Sedona. And supposedly the theme of the retreat was piercing into the absolute. Now, I didn’t know what the hell that meant.

Wendy Valentine: I was like, yeah, really, but it sounds good.

Karen Cheong: It sounds cool. Exactly. I was like, it sounds really cool. I don’t know what that means. But when I went in there, I could, I knew enough or I could feel enough that I was like, the field of this retreat, meaning the energetic field of this retreat felt unstable to me. There were a lot of people trying to prove how awake they were. And there’s a lot of ego mind stuff. And I was like, I don’t know about this. It doesn’t seem like we’re going to be able to do this big ass jump that he’s saying that we can do. But so in that moment, I made this sort of radical choice for me, which was I’m not gonna come back to this retreat. So just for context, you know, I’m of Chinese descent, I had just taken 12 days off my really busy schedule. I’d just thrown down thousands of dollars. And, you know, it’s not like I typically don’t sit my ass in the chair, take copious notes, then implement everything, prioritize the order in which I was supposed to do so. Like, that was just how I operated. So the fact that I was like yeah. No, I’m not going to this retreat. Was like, right? So I decided, okay, I’m not going to come back. And I’m going to. I have 12 days off. Instead of going home or doing work, I was like, wait a minute. I have 12 days off to meditate. Like, when does that ever happen in my lifetime? Ever? Never. You know, never. Like, when do we ever give ourselves that much time? So, anyhow, I put myself into meditation the next morning. And I don’t know why Wendy, I was, like. Had the gall to think I could do this, but I was just like, okay, I’m just gonna raise my frequency resonance and see if I can do what he says that we were supposed to be doing in this retreat. I’m just gonna try it. I mean, yeah, right? So sit down. Raise my frequency resonance. Expand, expand, expand, expand. Then I hit a ceiling. Like, literally, it felt like I was expanding. And then I was like, I couldn’t go anymore. And I was like, what the hell is this ceiling? And I realized without thinking that I really had to let go of who I thought I was. Like, truly. I was like, I don’t know what’s past this ceiling, but I know that somehow that I have to be okay with losing me who I think I am. Which, for someone who is a control freak at the time, was absolutely terrifying. Like, I know a lot of people talk about surrender. For me, surrender was, like, the hardest thing. I was like, I don’t know how some people think that’s super easy. I was like, this is.

Wendy Valentine: Well. And also think, too, like, surrender. Like, we think of waving the white flag as a sign of weakness, but a sign of strength.

Karen Cheong: Strength.

Wendy Valentine: Yeah. So that’s hard to do. Like, and letting go of yourself and not knowing, like, hey, what’s around the corner here?

Karen Cheong: Exactly. Exactly. I’m like, am I going to lose my mind? Am, I going to forget who I like? Right. It was just really scary for me. And so there was a lot of crying, and there was a lot of, like, my own inner work. And then all of a sudden, when I finally sort of came to this within myself, where I was like, I am willing to. Like, I really am willing to. I don’t know what will happen, and I’m okay with it. And all of a sudden, I felt this huge expansion. And then I did lose the sense of me, like, I. Karen. The identity as Karen disappeared. And all I felt was the oneness. And in that, I just started laughing because I was just like, oh, my God, like, I’ve forgotten That I’m part of the One. It was like forgetting that you have a hand, you know, it’s like, right here. How can you forget that? It’s kind of ridiculous. And then I started to cry because I couldn’t believe that I’d forgotten that I was part of the One. And, it was this incredible experience of everythingness. And I then perceived everything as frequencies. I was like, whoa. And I’m not thinking right, so I’m just having this experience. And then I realize without thinking that I can change frequencies. And I was like, How odd.

Turner says meditation helped him transcend the illusion of time

And so finally, I come out of the meditation, and it’s dark. And I’m like, that’s weird. You know? So I get up to pee, and I look at the clock, and it’s been nine hours. And I was like, what?

Wendy Valentine: So, you know, it probably felt like nine minutes. Huh?

Karen Cheong: Huh? Yes. It didn’t feel like. It felt like 25. Like, honestly, it was like, less than half an hour in my. My sense of time. Right.

Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

Karen Cheong: So. So I’m like, weird. And so I kept expecting that feeling to disappear, meaning the feeling that everything is frequencies. Like, I thought it was just gonna go away. I don’t know why I thought that, but I thought it was. So, you know, here I am in Sedona, so I’m like, okay, I’m just gonna go hiking because, I mean, I’m gonna meditate and hike. I mean, what else am I gonna do? So I was out hiking, and it literally felt like the Matrix. which isn’t like, an oddly accurate movie in some ways, but it literally felt like I could put my hand through the illusion. And I realized that the illusion isn’t here to punish us, which a lot of us feel like it is. It’s really here to help us to grow and to transcend. And so it’s.

Wendy Valentine: If we. If we allow it. Right?

Karen Cheong: If we allow it. Exactly. Yes, exactly. If we’re not fighting against it all the time. Exactly to your point. And then, So, as it so happens, a friend of mine happens to be overlapping with me in Sedona for about, like, 12 hours. So she comes over to my tiny little studio apartment, and we’re catching. And as she’s talking, I’m like, hey, do you need help with that problem that you’re talking about? Because I can see these patterns running through her. She looked at me funny, and she’s like, sure. So I cleared her patterns. She left. Didn’t hear from her. Three days later, my phone starts to blow up. With all these texts from her friends being like, hey, I’m a friend of your friend, and I heard that you were Turner. Everything’s starting to change for her. Like, can you give me a session? And I was like, sure. So that’s how it started, basically.

Wendy Valentine: That is amazing. I mean, it also goes to show, like, you’re talking about, like, in your real estate days of putting in so much effort, and here, this was like, the law of least effort. You just, like, naturally just did it and it just came your way.

Karen Cheong: Yeah, yeah. It was utterly shocking. I wasn’t expecting it at all.

Wendy Valentine: Oh, my gosh. There’s so much to unpack.

Bruce Love: Everything is vibrating, right? So that’s not new

Okay, let’s go back to, the distortion pattern. So, like, even when you just said with your ooh, let’s release these distortion patterns, these you got going on here, what does that mean?

Karen Cheong: Yeah, totally. M. So from my perspective, and I’m sure, the listeners of your show know this because they’re following you and you’re interested in this, is that everything is vibrating, right? So that’s not a new news flash, right? I mean, everybody knows this now. So the rate of the vibration is what determines the form. So if you take something really simple like water, when the molecular vibration is high, it’s steam. When the molecular vibration slows down, it becomes liquid water. When it slows down some more, it becomes solid or ice or form. So if you take that idea and you extrapolate it all the way out to consciousness or the Oneness, or pure source, or whatever you call the divine, or whatever you call that very highly resonating consciousness from which everything comes and to which everything returns, that’s vibrating at an extraordinarily high rate, of course, that we can’t measure yet with our human tools. But for the Oneness to have an experience of something other than the infinite Oneness, there needs to be a drop in vibration. So when that drop in vibration happens, frequencies are formed. And when the vibrational level drops some more, it creates something that we call energy. Now, you know, that we talk about these days. And when that slows down even more, it creates emotion, thought, form, physical matter. So your distortion actually happens at the level of frequency. Now, I know a lot of us think that we’ve got to, like, march around in our days and, like, tackle things and overcome struggles and blah, blah, blah. That’s what we’ve been told, right? And then if we do that, things will change on spirit level. But it’s actually the inverse because it’s the higher resonating Order of things always dictates. So if you change things at the quantum or frequency level, then the physical will be organized around it. So to your question, so what the hell then is a distortion pattern. Okay, so from my perspective here you are as a sphere of pure source energy, okay, that’s vibrating at this beautiful unique rate of vibration. It’s what individuates you, it’s what creates you. Ness versus me. Ness. Right. So that ball or sphere of, pure source energy must drop in vibration to have embodiment. Obviously, it’s vibrating much higher than your physical body. Yes.

Karen Cheong: So it drops into embodiment. When that happens, there’s layers and layers and layers and layers and layers and layers and layers and layers and layers and layers and layers of what look like duct tape. Okay. To me, that form around the sphere. So what are the layers of duct tape? Now before I answer that, what’s the effect of the duct tape, which is actually the more important thing in a way. The effect of the duct tape is, first of all, if you’ve ever picked up a small ball of the tape, you recognize that it’s heavy, so you have that all around you. What happens, the rate of vibration of the sphere drops. It must, because of the weight of the duct tape.

Wendy Valentine: That makes sense. Okay, good analogy. I like it, I like it.

Karen Cheong: So here you are vibrating lower and you also are blinded by it. So you think that all around you is the duct tape. You actually don’t have any perception of the field of pure source energy all around you. That’s why you think you’re limited. That’s why you think you can’t create or manifest what it is that you think you want. So the thing is, the ball of duct tape or the layers of duct tape are a metaphor for these distortion patterns that I’ve been talking about. So your distortion patterns come from things like your lineage or your ancestors, which is what Dr. Bruce Lipton talks about when he talks about epigenetics, right?

Wendy Valentine: Love Bruce.

Karen Cheong: Yes, exactly. Dr. Joe Dispenza, Greg Braden. You know, they all talk about epigenetics, right? It’s this new science that’s coming in. Then you have your cultural distortion patterns, you have your religious distortion patterns, whether or not you were brought up in an agnostic household. Okay? So let’s just imagine there is no religion in your household. But I can guarantee you that your ancestors definitely were impacted by religion and you are receiving that field. So you’re in the field of that whether you were born into it or not.

Wendy Valentine: Because even those. Those beliefs as well have been handed out. And it’s energy.

Karen Cheong: Absolutely, yes.

Wendy Valentine: Passed down.

Karen Cheong: That’s right.

Wendy Valentine: Okay.

Karen Cheong: Yeah. It’s just a frequency resonance that you’ve picked up on that you’ve been trained to. From your parents, your grandparents, your great grandparents. And then, of course, there. Your past lives. And that’s the short list of most of the things that creates the layers of the duct tape.

Wendy: Consciousness is rising, right? Yeah. I think it is. Yeah, it is rising

But the thing is. That’s amazing is. And, you know this already, Wendy, is that we are at this point of consciousness now, which has been rising. Now, I know when you look at the world, you’re like, consciousness is not rising, Right. It looks like we’re all going to hell in a handbasket. Right. You’re just like, the world is falling apart.

Wendy Valentine: I think it is. I think it’s right. Yeah.

Karen Cheong: Yeah, it is rising. I mean, if you think about it, 30 years ago, acupuncture was exotic. No, honestly, like, people didn’t know what it was. Like, even yoga was like, whoa.

Wendy Valentine: Having conversations like this was voodoo and weird.

Karen Cheong: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: No one look at us now.

Karen Cheong: Exactly. Like, even manifestation people are like, what? You know what I mean? Like, honestly, it was all new back in the day. And so consciousness is rising. And so with consciousness rising, you have someone like me who can now work at this level of the quantum or the frequency. And the thing is, I just want to say this, like, I’m not particularly special. We can all do this. It’s just about. I happen to be a little bit faster. Right. It all has to do with your resonance rising so that you can start to access more and more. You know, that’s really what it’s all about.

Wendy Valentine: And really, too. It’s like you’ve. You’ve removed your duct tape so you’re able to see and experience and feel, which is why you’ve become a teacher of it. And you’re exactly right. Everyone can do it because we are all in the same. We’re in this bowl of energy together, right?

Karen Cheong: Yeah, absolutely. And we’re all one. Yeah, absolutely. And it’s just kind of like, you know, Deepak Chopraz talked about this a long time ago. Like, in the 80s, he had this crazy thing that he called the field. Right? He would talk. And in the 80s, people were like, you know, we’d all hardback books. You know what I mean? Like, back in the day, Right. And now more and more people talk about it. You know, Linman M. Taggart has written the book the field. You know, Dr. Joe Dispenza talks about this all the time. Greg Brightnick the field is like now, sort of, a term that a lot of people know about. But the important thing about all that discussion is we all know now that the field’s infinite. They’ve actually proven it, right? So the field is infinite. You are part of the field. The field is part of you. But the thing is, if there are infinite possibilities, why do we always get stuck? Like, why are we, like, down here middling in this crappy existence that we’re in? Well, all has to do with your vibrational level, right? So it’s, it’s like the key that opens more possibilities. So if you just imagine that your vibrational level is this closed like this, right? And here you are experiencing whatever you’re experiencing, and you’re like, ah, I’m stuck, I’m stuck. I’m stuck. Well, when your frequency resonance rises, not only does your, I mean this happen in terms of your perspective rising, but it also starts to open. So now you can see more, perceive, be aware of more possibility within the field. That’s when life starts to change. Because not only do you start to change, but what you can access because of your frequency resonance opens. Right? So to answer your question that you asked many minutes ago, why do we keep getting stuck? Well, because your frequency resonance is too low. And so now you’re only seeing the same distortion patterns over and over again, which are creating your life. But when you start to release your distortion patterns and you rise in your resonance, that keyhole opens. And now the possibilities that you get to experience are different.

M.J.: It’s so much easier than we think. You know, we always think we have to struggle

Wendy Valentine: That all makes such good sense to me. And I think that I feel, and even for myself, going back where I used to struggle is okay the same way. Like, there’s this light right here, right? Like we, we, we all have electricity, majority of us here in the world. But turning on and off the light and how in the hell that light bulb comes on still blows my mind.

Karen Cheong: Totally. Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: I feel like for, for us is. And because we were, I mean, there’s so much knowledge and information around us that we, we want proof of stuff. And so when we don’t get that proof and we don’t grasp it. Yeah, that’s why we can’t get in there and have that. And so it’s like less information and more transformation. Like, we can’t get to that. So how does someone, if someone’s like, having a hard time understanding, like, okay, they’re like, this all sounds fluffy and wonderful. The heck do I. You Know, and also because we’re as human beings, it is invisible. So it’s like having this belief in something that we can’t see and we don’t feel it until we can experience it. So then how do we. Where do you begin? Where does someone actually begin to experience it and feel it and remove all that heavy ass duct?

Karen Cheong: Yeah. So it’s. It’s. You know, it’s funny. It’s so much easier than we think. You know, we always think we have to really struggle.

Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

Karen Cheong: You just. So, let me give you a story. So it’s helpful, right? So I have a client who was in her late 40s at the time that she found me. Now, she had been doing a ton of inner work because her challenge was finding a partner, right? So she was always with guys that were either emotionally absent or emotionally abusive. And how she compensated for their douchebaggery was that she was more awesome, right? So here she was doing more stuff. She would write cards to their mothers, she would plan their vacations. She would walk his dogs. She would do, like, all this stuff. Now, this is a woman who’s already highly successful, okay? She has her own really successful healing practice. She’s warm. She has tons of friends. She’s actually, like, the most lovely person. So you’re like. And all of her friends would look at her and be like, why are you with this jerk? You know what I mean? Or a different flavor of jerk, right? So anyway. And finally. And she’s like, I don’t know. Like, I don’t know why I keep doing this. You know, I keep going to all these different retreats and blah, blah, blah. But I can’t seem to shake this one thing, okay? M. Finally she hears about me from a friend. It tends to be how it works, right? And so she hears about me from a friend, and she’s like, okay, all right. I am at the point where I really need to break up with this guy. So she starts to listen to what I call group frequency calibration. So it’s just like a guided meditation. She starts listening to it, and she’s like, whatever. I don’t have anything to lose. It’s free. I’m just gonna listen to the thing. So she listens to it, and as she starts to listen more and more, there’s something within her. It’s like, I need to listen to more of these, and I don’t know why, so I’m just gonna follow that, okay? And so she decides, okay, screw it. I’m gonna break up. With douchebag number 12 or whatever it is right in her life. She’s like, and I’m just gonna take a hiatus from guys, okay? And it’s not like I hate men. I just need to work on me. I just, for some reason, I just feel like I need to take a little pause here. Just put the brakes on, work on me and see what happens. Now she has no outcome other than the fact that she knows that. She’s like, I don’t feel good about myself. Like in relationship, I don’t feel good with myself. After the relationship, I just don’t feel good about myself. I just need that to stop, okay? I don’t care if I never date another man again. I just don’t want to feel this way anymore. So she starts intensively doing frequency work. So which means that she’s starting to listen more to my meditations. She is, doing a process which is really important that I call confirming the removal. Because, look, I just want to debunk myth from that happens a lot in the spiritual movement, which is like some guru is going to save you by chanting over your head, or some teacher’s going to wave over you, and then presto, you’re gonna be awake. And then unicorns will fly by, everything will be glorious, and all your problems will disappear. Okay? So let me just like, put it this way.

Wendy Valentine: Is that not possible?

Karen Cheong: Why can’t it just happen that way? It’d be so much easier, right? Like, just give me the pill. But she was just like, you know, I want to be stronger myself, right? So there’s this process that I call confirming the removal. So I release a distortion pattern at the level of the quantum. But here’s the catch.

You have free will. I know it doesn’t feel like it sometimes

You have free will. You do. I know it doesn’t feel like it sometimes, but you do. And the thing is, sometimes that’s a blessing because you’re like, sweet, I just chose that thing. And sometimes we’re like real dumb with it, right? You’re like, oh my God. Right? Like, why did I just choose that? So however, you do have free will. And the thing is, you are co creating your reality, whether you’re aware of it or not. And every single second, whether you’re doing it intentionally, intentionally or unconsciously, you are doing it, which probably will excite some of you and scare the hell out of others of you. But whatever is, you’re doing it. And so the thing is, by you confirming the removal, you’re stepping into your power. This is where the magic is that everyone sort of misses. you have to step into your power as co creator and be like, no, that pattern for me no longer exists. So she did that over and over again. She’s like, okay. Self doubt, Nope. Non worthiness, nope. Right. So they’re just taking a stand.

Wendy Valentine: It’s almost like taking a stand against your old self and being like, exactly. You’re like, bye. Like, bye. Is that Bye, Felicia? Yeah, bye. Gotta go.

Karen Cheong: Yeah, exactly. You’re totally right. Cause you’re like, that version of me doesn’t have to be the version of me that I choose to live. So she did that for, I don’t know, intensively, for, I, think three or four months. And at the end of that, she was like, okay, I kind of feel like I’m gonna do a test run, like, just to see what I’m like with men. I don’t need to date the guy forever. I don’t need to marry him. I just want to see how I am. In response to a dating scenario. That’s really what her test run was. So her friends help her get on a dating app and she ends up with two dates, right? She goes for coffee with guy number one and she says, she’s so funny. She wrote into customer service, she’s like, okay, so I’m sitting here with this coffee with this guy, and this is the type of guy I would have been attracted to before, actually. I would have totally been all over this guy. But she’s like, this time I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, hell no. I see all the patterns. I see where I would have been pulled into this and wanting to save him. I saw all this.

Wendy Valentine: She was able to rise above that. She was able to.

Karen Cheong: Exactly. Yes, exactly. And she had the distance to be like, I see all that stuff. I don’t want it. So she’s like, I don’t know if we’re gonna be friends. Probably not, but thank you for showing me how I used to be. Okay, right. Off to the next guy, right? 24 hours later, goes for coffee with guy number two. She’s so funny. She says to me in one of the sessions we have later, I would never have been attracted to this guy in the past, Never in a million years, physically, emotionally. He just wouldn’t have been my jam. But you know what? I’m. But I didn’t really. I just wanted to connect with him, right? So it’s just like, I just was trying to see what would happen. I was just present, didn’t have any outcome. What’s it like to connect with this human that’s all. So they ended up having coffee for two hours, which is kind of weird, right? Because on a first date you’re like, okay, maybe an hour max, right? No, they talk for two hours. They end up going for dinner, they end up going camping together. Within the month, they are in Europe. Two weeks, like two months later, like fast forward a year, they end up getting engaged and now they’re married. But the thing is, it’s not about, you know, a lot of people will think about the ring and be like, oh, ring on the finger. That’s the, that’s the tip. Like that, that’s the pinnacle. It’s not what. The amazing part of this whole story is her. Because what she said to me was, for the first time in my life, I can receive love from a guy and not have to prove I’m worthy of it. When he says, I love you and let me do something to make you happy, I can receive it and I feel worthy of receiving it. What happened? You know what I mean? Like, before, she was doing all this stuff to make him happy. Now all of a sudden, she can receive him making her happy because. And it makes him happy to make her happy. Mind blowing change, right? To be able to receive love when she couldn’t before. So that to me is the win. It’s not about the ring, it’s about her. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Your thoughts and your emotions are the embodied reflection of your distortion

Wendy Valentine: So I want to share something with you. It’s still kind of, a little aha moment here. There’s something that you said earlier.

Karen Cheong: Okay.

Wendy Valentine: That I had not really thought about regarding thought. So thoughts, beliefs, which that were a lot of. A lot of everything can stem from. Right?

Karen Cheong: Yeah, yeah, totally.

Wendy Valentine: It is still at that lower human level.

Karen Cheong: That’s right.

Wendy Valentine: I don’t know why I had not thought about that before. Because I mean, as we know, right. An atom is 99.9999 energy and there’s only 0.0001% matter. But as human beings, we see the matter. We see that compared to the larger picture of the whole freaking thing.

Karen Cheong: Yeah, but.

Wendy Valentine: And then like, this is still kind of like, coming to me, like this whole aha moment. But really, it’s interesting. Okay, hold on. I’m getting it. I’m getting it.

Karen Cheong: Okay.

Wendy Valentine: We think about therapy. And I love therapy. I am pro therapy. Right. Had to do it for years and decades and might ever, might even do it again someday. Right? But when we’re concentrating on our limiting beliefs, our crazy thought patterns are the everything, all of that that swirls around in our human brains and our minds. Right. It’s still at that lower level. Like, if we concentrate on that. But that’s not what we should be concentrating on. We should be rising above that.

Karen Cheong: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: Which is in that invisible. 99.999.

Karen Cheong: Yes. Area. Yeah. Because your thoughts.

Wendy Valentine: I don’t know if any of that makes sense.

Karen Cheong: Absolutely. Because what you’re saying, at least from my perspective, is that your thoughts and your emotions are really the embodied reflection of your distortion. Right. So your thoughts that you go around, your limiting beliefs, whatever, are actually how your brain processes that distortion. So the thing is, by. I’m not poo pooing therapy, therapy can be really helpful. And I actually feel like multiple different disciplines are really helpful. I mean, I do it myself. I don’t just focus on one thing. I mean, do what works, right? I mean, if you combine things and then get better, faster, do it right. So, you know, whether it’s therapy or coaching or something like Emotional Freedom Technique or neuro Emotional Release or whatever the hell, whatever, your jam is great. If you combine that with releasing things at the level of the field. If you, as you say in the Invisible, at the level of the quantum, it’s like rocket fuel. Because what happens is you’re changing things at the level at which they begin. what happens is amazing because people think differently. You have no idea how many testimonials I have. People are like, I never would have thought of that. I never would have seen that opportunity. I never would have had that synchronicity. I never. Because I wouldn’t have seen it. Given how I was conditioned in my thought patterning, in my stories, in what I thought and assumed was true, I never in a million years would have had this realization. Like, just kind of like what you just had. So you’re like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. What? So if I can release my distortion patterns, then what opens in terms of what it is that’s possible for me? Everything. Because like I said, your thoughts and your emotions are a reflection or the embodiment of your distortion. Once you release the distortion, your mind opens. Like, honestly, your perspective shifts. It becomes bigger, broader. You actually can sit with more. Because you’re not as attached to your fixed, you know, perspective. You’re like, you may not agree. Okay? You may not agree with all the crazy crap that people are saying. You may not be like, you might not. You might be like, okay, whatever. But instead of being, like, all angry about it and getting very like, I have to show them that I’M right. You’re like, well, you know, I can understand why they have that perspective. I don’t agree with it.

Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

Karen Cheong: From my perspective, I don’t agree with it. But I can sit with it. You know what I mean? Because I think a lot in the world right now, there’s so much polarity. Right. Us versus them. I’m right, you’re wrong. But you. There used to be a time when it was like, okay, well, I understand your perspective.

When you clear your distortions, your reality reflects the static around you

I don’t hold it.

Wendy Valentine: Yes, yes.

Karen Cheong: But you don’t now have to be enemies for life because I don’t agree with you. You know what I mean? It’s so weird. So anyway, it just changes. And as you say, you get to have more distance and space from your own thoughts and emotions. And you get to say things like, is that really true?

Wendy Valentine: It’s like, it’s. It’s like the saying, Or to be in the world, but not of the world. To be. To hear someone else’s opinion or to see something going on but not be attached to it.

Karen Cheong: Exactly.

Wendy Valentine: To not have, like, that duct tape put back on you because of what someone else is doing outside of you.

Karen Cheong: Exactly. Yeah. And then it’s easier, I think, for a lot of us to be like, that’s theirs. It’s theirs. It’s not mine. It’s okay that it’s theirs.

Wendy Valentine: Think about when, like, the word distortion. I think about, like, the old days when we had radios. You would like, especially if you move to a new city, and you’re like, oh, I gotta find the stations, you know.

Karen Cheong: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: And you’re turning the knob and you’re trying. And, you know, someone told you 98.1, so you’re like, okay, 98.2.

Karen Cheong: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: And it’s like that distortion. It’s that noise.

Karen Cheong: Exactly.

Wendy Valentine: And then. Yeah. And once you tune in to the right station, it’s crystal clear. You hear the music. And not to like. I’m all about analogies and breaking words apart, but universe is one song. Uni. Yeah. One. And versus.

Karen Cheong: Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: And it’s like, I’ve always thought about that, like, and how we’re all these notes.

Karen Cheong: Yes.

Wendy Valentine: If you’re. You’re a note. I’m a note where every. Everybody’s a note note. And it makes up this one song. And how we all create harmony is by raising that frequency, is by raising that. That into a nice, beautiful harmony song.

Karen Cheong: Yeah, I totally agree with you. And it’s like, the higher that you. Like, as I said before, you have free Will. So how clear and how bright and how beautiful your note is is completely up to you, right? It’s not like bad if your note is a little bit less harmonious. It’s about clarifying because as you said, you know, the thing with manifestation that I think a lot of people get wrong is that they think that it’s all about the method. But as you said, the distortion is like static around you. So here you are, right? We believe that we have a really clear intention. We want to manifest this. And it’s this clear signal out to the universe and it’s going to return to us what it is that we want. Okay, but the thing is, they’re your distortion. So all that static that you talked about like is around you. And what is the universe here? It’s like what, oh what? It’s like static. That’s what it is. And what does it return to you? Your reality reflects the static. So the thing is, when you clear your distortions, you’re actually clearing your own signal that you are broadcasting constantly in every second without knowing it. And that’s what your reality is. And so what happens is that with so many people, they’re just like, how is my life like this? This. It’s like a level of clarity that I couldn’t have imagined really. And that happens over and over again. And you know, whatever that looks like for you will be different, right? A lot of people think, okay, well, when I’m wealthy and I have the partner and whatever, that’s what clarity is. But there’s so much more beyond that, as you guys all know, right? There’s like freedom, there’s like this, being able to be inspired and be able to be more authentically you and to really, I think for women, like step into your power as we start to age, which I think is, where it is.

Wendy Valentine: And I think too sometimes we, we, we crave this because we feel like we’re wanting something outside of ourselves. I mean, not to say you can’t manifest whatever the heck that you want in this universe. You want to get a Ferrari, Great. Right. But that’s wonderful. But I feel like when you do this, when you do tune in to that radio station, you get more than you thought you were.

Karen Cheong: Absolutely.

Wendy Valentine: Honestly, on a totally different level.

Karen Cheong: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: Than you even thought was possible. Because you couldn’t experience it yet, right? Because you were still. Yeah,

In order to rise in your resonance, you actually need something else

Karen Cheong: Yeah, absolutely.

Wendy Valentine: I, I do feel like, I think you even said something earlier about this. It’s not like you have to be psychic or you have to have these. No, we all have it. And if you think about it, no matter who’s listening right now, everyone know. Everyone can tap it and go, how do I feel right now? Now everyone pretty much knows if their radio station is off a little bit.

Karen Cheong: Oh, totally. I know.

Wendy Valentine: And it’s not to say, right? Like, even if you. Yeah. Even if you rise above these energy levels, that doesn’t mean you stay there. You can fall back down, but you.

Karen Cheong: Absolutely.

Wendy Valentine: You know what that feels like to be at those higher energy, higher frequencies, right? Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, my God, if someone walks into the room with. In a, shitty mood, you know it. Without even speaking to that person.

Karen Cheong: Yes, absolutely. And that’s why, like, it’s funny, as you say, it’s not static. A lot of people think, like, when you get to a certain level that you just stay there forever. Like, that’s happens with a lot of guru worship. They’re like, oh, this person’s awake. And they’re always going to be that way. It’s always fluctuating. I don’t know if you notices like how you feel, how you are, how you show up. It changes, right? And it changes sometimes even from moment to moment. But that’s why I’m all about tools and I’m all about like, what do you need to learn to empower yourself to. To raise your own frequency resonance. Right. It’s not about codependency, it’s about, like teaching. Right. And so the thing is, that’s why I give programs. Like I have this monthly program called Living youg Brilliance. Because there is a lot going on right now. There’s a lot happening in the collective, which feels not good. So you can kind of get mired into that. Yeah. So the point of something like living your brilliance is to keep you, like, really like away from that. Not that it’s bad, but just be like, okay, I don’t need to get stuck here. I can experience it, not get stuck in here. And then in train up, right? It’s always about in training up to a higher level order of resonance. Constantly, constantly, constantly. So that you’re having this momentum in your life that starts like to feel like a groundswell. Because, you know, I created that program because a lot of people would come in from one on one sessions and they’d have this amazing experience, but then it’s like they’d kind of get caught in like, whatever was happening in their.

Wendy Valentine: Life and not knowing what to do. And the noise.

Karen Cheong: Right? Like you said, like, then you’re now between stations again. Okay, well, can you bring yourself back up? You know, it’s kind of like working out, but like. Like spirit level.

Wendy Valentine: Yes, exactly. So is it, does it come down to really meditation?

Karen Cheong: Well, meditation is really great. Okay, so I think meditation is really helpful. But I feel like in order to rise in your resonance, you actually need something else. And it’s what I call a group frequency calibration, where I’m helping the collective, or the mastermind is what I call it to actually release distortion patterns around a specific topic and to clarify their awareness of their connection to the Oneness. Because you always have it, you infinitely have it. It’s impossible to not have it because you are alive. But, we’d forget, we’re like, what is this? We don’t even think about it really. So it’s just about clarifying your awareness of that connection because it’s there. We just don’t think about it. Right. We’re looking at our phones. So the thing is, when you have a group frequency calibration, so it sounds a lot like meditation. So when you listen to it, it’s going like, gee, it sounds like a guided meditation. Totally it does. And in the background I’m working at the level of the field to help you to release those distortion patterns to rise in your resonance. And just to make it really clear, those two things happen at the same time. As soon as you release the heaviness of a distortion pattern, what happens? Your resonance rises. Right. It’s just like a hot air balloon, like you’re chucking off the sandbags. And of course you’re rising. So you just have to. And it sounds like it’s going to be too good to be true. And I suppose, I guess if you think of it From a really 3D perspective, it is, but you just have to listen to a group frequency calibration and then do what I call confirming the removal, which is that part we talked about earlier, which is like, this is no longer mine and I have a five step process to help you through it. So it’s not very hard. And I actually offer a lot for free. So, just like you, Wendy, I have my own podcast. Over 200 episodes. At the end of every podcast or attached to every podcast, there’s a free group frequency calibration. So there’s tons of work for free that you can access. I give a YouTube live every month, where I give a group frequency calibration for free and I talk about what’s happening in the moment, give context to it from a Frequency perspective. Why are things happening in a much bigger perspective on the planet? So that’s free also. So we spend a lot of time at Spirocuminosity creating content that’s free so that people can start to access this work. Work, and see what it’s like.

Do you find that there are people fearful of losing their old selves

And if it feels like it’s the right thing for them.

Wendy Valentine: And really, I mean, I can speak for myself. You become hungry for more once you dive into that pool. You’re like, oh,

Karen Cheong: Good, you know.

Wendy Valentine: And again, for myself, like, I’ve. I’ve experienced a lot of that. And then. And probably you too, like, you get busy, you’re doing stuff, you’re running a business, you’re, you know, traveling, etc. And it’s like, oh, gosh, I need to. I need to get back there. I need to get back there. Like you, you. Yeah, I feel like. Like your spirit craves it.

Karen Cheong: Oh, absolutely.

Wendy Valentine: Because even though, like, we have our internal noise that goes on within us, and just like you said, with phones and the television there. There’s a shit ton of noise out there and in here. And it gets. It’s so loud sometimes that is. It’s exhausting. And I feel like that’s where overwhelm and illness and all of that can happen at that human level. And it’s like, if you can just get past that.

Karen Cheong: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: Or it doesn’t. It doesn’t cling to anymore. It’s like a. Like a Teflon pan, right?

Karen Cheong: Exactly.

Wendy Valentine: It’s just like a non stick, you know, it’s like. Yes, just flies right off. You be like, well, did that happen? I didn’t. I’m curious. Do people. Do you find that there are people fearful of losing their old selves? Even if their old selves are unhealthy and toxic and with toxic relationships and the toxic lifestyle, are they fearful of that?

Karen Cheong: Yeah, absolutely. I think a lot of people, when they begin. Or a number, I shouldn’t say a lot. A number of people do have that worry because they don’t want things in their life to change. Right. And so. But what will happen is that when. Okay, so remember I talked about that sphere surrounded by that duct tape? M. When the duct tape starts to come off, the sphere starts to vibrate faster. Of course it does. It doesn’t have the same weightedness around it. So as you say, the sphere is like, whoa, something just happened. Like, I’m vibrating faster. Like, I feel better, I feel more free. I want that. Because you want to vibrate higher. I mean, it’s just the way we are as humans. We like what it feels like when we vibrate higher because everything starts to clarify. We feel better in ourselves. We eat better, we make better choices. The people who show up in our lives are different. Synchronicities start to happen. You’re like, whoa, life is starting to feel kind of amazing, right? And it might be slow at first and you might not notice it. Just like I didn’t notice that I wasn’t even freaking spreadsheeting, you know, at first. But then you’re like, wait a minute, wait a minute, what’s happening? Things are starting to change in a way that I hadn’t expected. And the funny thing is when you start to release your distortion patterns of fear, that attachment to who you used to be starts to just drop away. You don’t even have to try, you’re just like.

Wendy Valentine: And you almost don’t even notice it, right? You’re like, did I just become a new person? I didn’t even realize.

Karen Cheong: Exactly. Yes, exactly, exactly. And you know, it’s funny because people will say things like, you know, even what it is that I like has changed, you know, like the movies that I used to like has changed. Now, that might be scary for some of you, but if you think about it, there’s so many flavors out to experience and life, it just means you get to experience different parts of the buffet of life, right? You’re like, oh, didn’t I cry before? Delicious. You know what I mean?

Wendy Valentine: I’m like, I look at life as a buffet. Like, you like it, you go back for more, you don’t like it. Yeah, but that’s true too. As you evolve into someone different, you get to experience other things in the world and in different ways that you would have experienced as the old. And we should be evolving. I mean, I can remember I had someone say to me like years ago, almost in a very negative way, they’re like, oh my God, you have changed. I was like, aren’t we wait. I’m like, aren’t we supposed to change? I’m like, I’m confused because, oh, I’m supposed to change from like the 10 year old girl that I was, you know, or the 20 year old woman, like I’m supposed to change. And going back to what we were saying. If we allow ourselves to, to give ourselves.

Karen Cheong: Exactly.

Wendy Valentine: Handing that permission slip to yourself and going, I give you the right and the opportunity to change into an even more magnificent human being.

Karen Cheong: Absolutely.

Sometimes when we change the Person who says, well, you’ve changed

Yeah. And it’s funny, you know, because sometimes when we change the Person who says, well, you’ve changed. What it is is that you’re mirroring to them that they haven’t.

Wendy Valentine: Yes, I know.

Karen Cheong: Yes, you know, and don’t necessarily like that. Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: And it’s also getting outside of their comfort zone because before they could predict, you know, your reactions or what you would say or what you would do, and now it’s like it’s totally thrown them off.

Karen Cheong: Exactly. Yes, exactly. Exactly what you’re saying. Because you being a certain way for them gives them certainty as to who they are. Right. but if you change all of a sudden they’re like, whoa, who am I now? Because this person, the dynamic change. Exactly. Yeah. Not everyone’s up for that.

Wendy Valentine: I know, right? This is so good. I was so excited when I woke up this morning and I was like, oh, who’s on my list of peeps to interview today? And I was like, oh, yeah. I love to me like these, like these deep conversations about the things that you can’t see are my kind of conversations. I love it because that’s, to me, that is the key, that is the key to unlocking all of that, whatever it is. Your health, your relationships, your wealth, your everything, everything, everything.

Karen Cheong: And you know, also I’d like to add the gloriousness of life because, you know, we often feel like life is happening to us, right? So I mean, your show is the mid like makeover. And when you are, especially if you’re a female and you hit menopause, it’s like life fricking ends for you. I don’t know what the hell happens. Like, you know, oh my God, menopause is happening.

Wendy Valentine: I know.

Karen Cheong: But the thing is, it’s kind of amazing and it’s a funny cultural phenomenon that’s happened where as we age, women are supposed to become less desirable because we’re not like the 20 year old vixen. But let me just tell you this. If you release your distortion patterns, you start to recognize your power and you really can start to step into the wise woman. Which has more to do with being authentically you and just expressing you. Like, look, we’re all flawed, okay? Like there’s nobody drink it to everybody. That’s just the way it is.

Wendy Valentine: Sometimes my arm jiggles, you know, like, whatever, who cares?

Karen Cheong: And the thing is, like, we get to be more quirky and funny and weird and like, yes, we screw up and that’s okay, you know, but know you, you own your screw ups and you can grow from it. That’s the wisdom. And so the thing is, I Feel like as more women start to come into this knowingness that, like, I actually don’t need to be seductress. I can be. That’s part of my package. But, like, there’s so much more to, this aspect of us that really comes into this knowingness of who we are. And it’s a growing knowingness. Right. So I’m not saying you’re static. Of course not. You’re always changing. But you become okay with. With that change and okay with the fact that you’re not perfect and you don’t really care so much. And thank God, you know.

Wendy Valentine: Yeah. I think about, Which. It’s one of my fave books, the Untethered Soul. Right. But really, it’s like, it’s. It’s the untethered human being. It’s. It’s on that right to be. That’s the soul I feel is already untethered.

Karen Cheong: It’s absolutely.

Wendy Valentine: It’s the duct tape that’s covering soul.

Karen Cheong: Yes.

Wendy Valentine: That. That doesn’t allow you to be. Like, there’s that, like, going around, you know, the. Be your true self. You know, become your authentic.

Karen Cheong: Like, what does that mean exactly?

Wendy Valentine: What does that mean to be your true self?

Karen Cheong: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: If you’re covered in all that duct tape and it’s weighing you down, removing all of that. And I think we’ve just gone about. Myself included kind of. You go about it the wrong way, but you’re. You’re being taught by other human beings of how to relieve yourself of that. But. And it’s really. It is on such an easier, lighter level.

Karen Cheong: Yes, absolutely. Yes. Yeah. And I feel like that’s what a lot of people come to me. They’re like. I feel like they won’t say this at the beginning m they. But they’re a little lost. Like they’re looking for themselves. Right. Because there’s all this conditioning. Like, we’re told to be a certain way.

When you release patterns, you get to be you without all the conditioning

We’re supposed to be this. We’re supposed to produce that. We’re supposed to create that. Whatever. There are all these stories of how we’re supposed to be. But if you didn’t have those stories, who would you be? And that freaks a lot of people out because they’re like, oh, my God. That means I have to express who I really am. Who the hell am I really? Right. And that’s the beauty of releasing these patterns. Because then you get to be you without all the conditioning, without all the distortion. And you don’t worry about it so much. You just get to be like who you are. And it’s funny because I have this client, she is a, she’s a. She’s from a very wealthy family and she had to go to all these parties. Like they were. They just have to go. Okay. That’s part of their thing. And she would hate going to them because she’s like, I always feel like such an idiot, right? Because, like, I’m awkward, I don’t enjoy them. I feel like I have to put up a front for the family, like this whole thing. So she started frequency work and. Okay, let me just say that going to parties and being herself was not on the list of things that she wanted to receive from frequency work. All right? That’s not what she came for. But weirdly, what happened is as, she started to release her distortion patterns of low self worth and receiving love and a whole bunch of other stuff, she started to feel more okay being her and she wasn’t afraid to be her. And what was amazing was a few months later she wrote in saying, I can now be at parties and enjoy myself. Do I have to be the most gregarious, funny person in the room? No, it’s not about that. Can I just be me and not have to shrink into a corner and hide like I’m, just me. So if someone comes and talks to me and we have a delightful conversation, that’s wonderful. If I’m going there and I’m like, enjoying the food, that’s great. If I’m just standing there by myself enjoying the music, that’s okay. I don’t need to be surrounded by five people. It’s all okay. And I get to just be me. Now to the outside world, does that make a difference to anybody? Like, does anyone notice that? No. But to her, is that a huge difference within herself? Of course it is. Right. So like you say, it’s just about this really, really wonderful thing that can sometimes feel elusive of who am I? Who am I and how can I express myself in a way that feels best to me? And what can I do to, have that even be more magnificent? You know, even though it’s flawed, it’s not about perfection, as you said. Right. It’s just about how do I be more me? And then by doing that, all these other people light up around you because you give them permission to be them. Plus your resonance is high and they get to entrain to that too, so. So, yeah, it’s all awesome.

You mentioned, uh, Deepak earlier, and I had gone to many retreats

Wendy Valentine: You mentioned, Deepak earlier, and I had gone to so many of his retreats. Oh, really love Deepak. And I even got certified at the Chopra center in yoga. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And I can. And I’ve read all of his books, but there’s one statement he said to me that always resonated with me, and it finally, like, it’s like that key, like, you know, little bit it. And, I was at a retreat in Carlsbad, and he came in the room, and he had these cute glasses on and these red Converse tennis shoes. And he sat in front, and I’m, like, sitting on the floor, like, listening to him. And he goes in his cute little Indian accent, he’s like, you have to feel your way through life. I was like. And I remember thinking, I was like.

Karen Cheong: Feel my way through my way through life. What the hell does that mean?

Wendy Valentine: And then I walked. We were on break, and I walked outside, and I took my shoes off, and I was like, walking through the grass and just feeling the grass, and I was like, feel my way through. I kept thinking about it, and I was like, oh. I was like, yeah. Like, instead of thinking our way through life, instead of concentrating so much and trying so freaking hard, just feel your way through. Like, just. Yeah, just flow with life instead of fighting with it and trying so hard. Like, we try. So I mean, it’s great that.

Karen Cheong: Try so hard.

Wendy Valentine: As human beings, we’re like, yes, we can do this, but maybe just relax a little bit, you know, like, get into the stream and just flow, like, row, row, row your boat gently down the stream, you know, like, yeah. Ah. And just relax. And, ever since that. Ever since he had said that, I was like, something just clicked in me that it made sense. And to me, like, this is another moment for me personally. Hopefully the listener is feeling the same way. But this is. This is a nice. A nice shift for me, I’d say mentally, energetically, and. And frequency wise, it does something like. I feel. I do feel more elevated just from having this conversation. I do.

Karen Cheong: Awesome. Thank you.

Wendy Valentine: Yes. it’s very motivating to me.

Karen Cheong: Thank you.

Wendy Valentine: On a deeper, deeper level. Okay, so where can we find you? Because, I mean, I know how to find you, because I’ve already, like, been on your website, and I love it.

Karen Cheong: Well, thank you. I appreciate you.

Wendy Valentine: You say it.

Karen Cheong: Yes. So you can find me@sphericalluminosity.com and we have a bunch of stuff on YouTube, so if you want to watch my content, learn more about what it is I’m talking about, start to listen to those group frequency calibrations. You can do that. There you can also listen to us on Spotify or anywhere you can find podcasts if you want to listen to my, podcast. But the best place to start is really spherical luminous. And then also, for your listeners, I’ve created a quiet your mind group frequency calibration to just help people come out of. You know, like you said, we try so hard, and we’re worried about a lot of things, and we’re. We, you know, we’re a little overwhelmed, and there’s a lot happening in the world, and it feels like we’re more and more out of control. So how do you get to that state that you’re talking about where you feel your way through life? It actually requires some space and thoughts from space. Excuse me. And distance from your thoughts. Thoughts which are, like, loud and persistent and once again, loud. It’s loud. You know, it just creates all this crap within us. So if you can start to. It’s not about quieting your mind completely. Just get enough space from it. You’re like, okay, yeah, all right.

Wendy Valentine: Get a break from yourself, you know?

Karen Cheong: Exactly. Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: So, yeah, Well, I will definitely. I’m gonna put that in the show notes, and then I’ll put that on the blog posts as well.

Karen Cheong: So thank you so much.

Wendy Valentine: Listen to that, too. Thank you, Karen. You’re awesome. You’re. I’m not. I mean, it’s great that you sat through nine hours of meditation.

Karen Cheong: That’s.

Wendy Valentine: So you can, like, teach us this. This is awesome. M. So thank you. And thank you, Sedona. I’ll be hiking in Sedona today, thinking of you.

Karen Cheong: Oh, lucky you. Say hello to Sedona for me.

Wendy Valentine: Thank you so much, Karen.

Karen Cheong: Thank you.